This topic refers to Kyoto Health Spa

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OK, I am new to this and am unsure about how this works. I understand I go in and Mamasan collects the house fee and I go the room. Table Shower and massage, who starts the discussion of what comes next and when does that happen and when do you discuss tipping and donations. I just need advice so I don't look stupid or miss out on the good stuff. This place sounds great and what I am looking for. Help please.

1st, lets get rid of false assumptions.

The mamasan does not always collect the house fee, sometimes it is the girl who gives the massage.

After you pay the girl leaves with the money either to get you change or to put it in the cash box. At this point you UNDRESS, get totally nude and sit on the edge of the table, if you are shy grab the towel from the table and cover you mid section.

She will return and lead you to the shower, she may get flirty in the shower or wash your boys or ask if it is OK to wash them, say yes, let her know in someway that when she does that it feels great, moan, smile, say "oh yeah" or "feels good" anything that fits your personality. This is hint 1, you are expecting extra services.

Back to the room, she will ask you what type of massage, Strong, medium, soft etc, if you want strong say so, going for SOFT is another hint you are there for HJ (hand jobs), BJ (blowjobs) and FS (full service). There may be limits on how much service management will allow.">extras.

After about 20-30mins, she will say "Turn over please", and shortly there after, IF HJ (hand jobs), BJ (blowjobs) and FS (full service). There may be limits on how much service management will allow.">extras are available, you will hear "Where massage more?" she has given you her 1st hint, at this point you take HER hand and place it on your junk and say "Right here please".

Either she takes her hand away and says no, or she giggles and begins fondling you, if she continues or goes to get lotion or oil, at this point, you may openly ask QUIETLY, or through universally understood gestures, for a BJ or FS. Be prepared for her to ask you "you tip?" since you are new at this and she will have trust issues, ask for your pants and give her some or all of what you intend to tip now.

If you end up with a just a HJ it is ok to tip after, somewhere in the range of 20-60 is fair depending on her skill, did she let you touch her, take any clothes off, show you body parts or allow you to feel, touch or lick her kitty or breasts.

If she does more than a HJ tip her the agreed upon amount for the service she provided.

Remember if her hand is on your junk, you are free to ask for other or more services. Until this happens she will lead you, asking before this point will likely mean you get NO extra services.

About the type of the massage, i go for the medium,then to the light touch, so one can receive not only a rubdown, but some sensuality with it. Then, during the light touch,you'll be able to tell by the way she feathers her hand on your body if there is going to be HJ (hand jobs), BJ (blowjobs) and FS (full service). There may be limits on how much service management will allow.">extras. While doing this(while on your stomach)(also make some sounds that make you feel that you're getting aroused)let your hands do some wondering on her body(the more wandering, the better). I also use the "universal gestures". Then, negotiations will come up, but there are places where the tip is handed after the service(especially if your a repeat customer). Pay according to the service(Mechanical to quality). HJ(20-60),BJ(40-80),FS(60-120). If there is any upselling, go lower but don't be stingy. Remember they are there to please you, but you need to be right about your tipping(set your foot down). Happy hunting .